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Are we healing… or just managing our pain?

In Part 2 of Episode 118, Kiran, Leela, and Cami continue exploring how substances and awakening often intertwine on the spiritual path.

Many seekers reach for psychedelics, prescriptions, or supplements hoping for relief. However, what if the real medicine lies beyond the substance itself? This episode invites you to look deeper — beneath the control, the craving, and the quiet deprivation driving your search for peace.

Through grounded stories and decades of inner work, Kiran and her co-hosts reveal how chasing healing through substances can reinforce the very patterns we’re trying to escape.

They also share how awareness, presence, and willingness to feel discomfort open a more stable path to transformation.

In this conversation:

✨Why deprivation habits often lead to addiction and control
✨The fine line between using support and relying on a crutch
✨How to meet fear and unworthiness without substances
✨Why presence is the truest form of medicine

By slowing down, listening within, and embracing what’s real, you discover that true freedom doesn’t come from substances — it comes from being fully alive in this moment.

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Show Notes

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Timestamps

00:00 — Introduction: How substances affect your path to freedom
01:55 — Compulsion, addiction, and the roots of deprivation
03:10 — Why control and deprivation never cure addiction
04:35 — Conscious use vs unconscious reaching for substance
05:15 — The Ozempic movement: a modern spiritual crutch
06:10 — The illusion of success: fame, anxiety, and inner emptiness
07:25 — Chasing wholeness through external fixes
10:45 — Crutches vs real healing: learning from Energy Medicine
13:45 — Faith and true desire: how real healing answers itself
18:40 — Real-life example: supplements, hormones, and control
22:45 — Closing reflections: true healing through presence, not control
25:05 — Outro: Raw dogging the moment — the real medicine

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